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Post by Dave, Master of Muppets on Feb 23, 2012 9:04:09 GMT -5
I am new to Fantasy in general ^.^ Don't have much of an army going or anything.... But I'm learning some of the major points pretty quickly..... Got a 1k game against Dwarves pretty soon, well, when i have a fully functioning 1k army..... But my list is already set. And its pretty solid from what i've been told. I'll learn the ropes pretty soon as I have a couple of friends in real life who are gonna give me a crash-course in gameplay etc. But If I'm anywere near as good as I am with Orks in 40k..... I see good things for my army  I understand that WoC are often very outnumbered by the foe, and you have to be weary of hordes of things like Gobbo's and Slaves, etc. But hopefully I'll have a full grasp on it some time soon  |
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Post by flamingkillamajig on Feb 23, 2012 9:18:28 GMT -5
Ok so dwarfs. Dwarfs have a lot of shooting esp. war machines so watch out for that. I don't know if cannons will do much to you but they should have something or other that will be annoying to face. Stonethrowers shouldn't do much but i think organ guns will. Most shooting units that use BS to shoot are terrible unless they are poisoned attacks. However war machines that hit instantly or don't have to deal with negative bonuses are really nasty. Chaos don't have much in the way of shooting though i do hear hellcannons are nasty as hell (obviously with that name). I also think you have an outflanking unit or two in your army somewhere you might want to try out. Really it's about having a solid unit that kills a lot. Warriors are hard to face in melee but dwarfs have some nasty shooting you gotta watch out for and they will prevent your magic.
As far as horde armies go i normally wouldn't worry too much but you may want their army to break sooner rather than later even with steadfast keeping them there. They'll wear your army down otherwise even if they lose combat constantly.
I'd be more worried about high elves and dark elves as they can be very nasty in melee. Since you have good toughness and armor this may not effect you but they can still be pretty sick with swordmasters so try to shoot them. Fighting your first game or two against high or dark elves usually ends badly in my experience. I'd also worry about empire and daemons. Other than that nothing else is too bad even if an experienced vampire counts player can be pretty sick. Then again i haven't faced a VC army in the new book so we'll see.
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Post by Dave, Master of Muppets on Feb 23, 2012 9:26:20 GMT -5
Tanks for the advice FKM..... I'll get mys list up soon and PM it you shortly or something.... See if you can pick anything from it that might leave me in the dog house |
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Post by flamingkillamajig on Feb 23, 2012 9:48:29 GMT -5
I really don't know what those warhounds will do but i guess they're for harassment. They probably won't last two seconds though with 5 man (dog?) units. Maybe units of 10 with 2 ranks would be better. I'm not sure what to think about the warriors yet. 2 units of them is probably good for now. You don't really have many points invested in anything else so both units are a good size for the points i'm sure. I'm not sure how big you should make your units. Perhaps 8 in the front? You wouldn't have many in the back though. Maybe 6-7 wide would be a good number for your warriors of chaos.
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Post by Dave, Master of Muppets on Feb 23, 2012 10:30:04 GMT -5
The warhounds are just there for Screening the warriors for a couple of turns.... Should help keep the dwarfs shooting off me for a couple of turns |
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Post by flamingkillamajig on Feb 23, 2012 13:45:40 GMT -5
I could be wrong but you might be able to still see the warriors of chaos above the warhounds but i don't have much shooting so i don't know. Would they count as hard cover? That only effects shooting that goes by ballistic skill btw which is another reason BS shooting in fantasy sucks in comparison to the other versions.
Besides if you think those warhounds will screen well then you're probably sadly mistaken. Dwarfs and empire have a lot of shooting depending on the person you play. Considering dwarfs are so poor with movement and initiative they will probably try shooting at you and therefore luring you into their melee units that have poor initiative. The biggest things to remember with dwarfs is that they have issues with movement and always go -1 inch and have a 3 inch basic move (which is pathetic). Their leadership is very high making them hard to break (like a base 9 leadership or something even without leaders). Also they're initiative 2 and are generally initiative 2 with most things so you'll usually hit them first esp. with your army. The armies with the best initiative are generally warriors of chaos, skaven, all elves and somewhat daemons of chaos.
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Post by Long John Silver on Feb 23, 2012 15:16:48 GMT -5
Hi, Dave. Hopefully see you soon, man.
Tonight I must paint that Leman Russ.
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Post by Dave, Master of Muppets on Feb 23, 2012 17:47:26 GMT -5
Hey Chem How you doing buddy? On the topic of Russ's..... Meh.... I need to paint more of my Tzeentch Warriors in all honesty >.< |
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Post by flamingkillamajig on Feb 24, 2012 0:57:53 GMT -5
Ugh i never paint. I should at least build that warp lightning cannon i never get around to doing. Who knows maybe i'll finish that warlord at some point too. I only threw down a couple colors on him currently. I suppose i should read that grey seer thanquol book some time (the first one). I've only gotten like 4 chapters in and not really any farther. We'll see how it goes.
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Post by Dave, Master of Muppets on Feb 24, 2012 6:44:03 GMT -5
Well over the course of Wednesday and yesterday, I assembled a new Exhalted Hero of Khorne from kitbashing various Plastic peices, then Painted him.....He is rather Impressive, I'm going to try and get a couple of pictures of him up later today on here and COTEC.... Come on.... A EH of Khorne who's also an Orc..... You can't go wrong  |
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Post by flamingkillamajig on Feb 24, 2012 11:47:35 GMT -5
Orcs that lead men of chaos? Oh dear. I'm not sure how fluffy it is but i never read too much of the warhammer fantasy fluff for the chaos races and elf races. I think i have a general idea of fantasy though. Aenaerion (or however you spell his name) the defender managed to fight 4 of the most powerful daemons of chaos with some awesome sword though and though his bloodline is now tainted he beat all 4 daemons in combat by himself. That's pretty ridiculous and badass but it's hard to believe even if true. It's also funny how the skaven have given the finger to nagash and how we screw over the lizardmen and the dwarfs on a constant basis. Then as if we didn't have enough balls we attack the realms of men and try to kill elves now for some reason. You'd think if skaven are so good versus dwarfs we wouldn't have any problems with elves but we haven't been able to win any fights against high elves in fluff though we get very close. Kind of surprised that some races aren't aware of other races victories or defeats and don't try to mop up afterwards. It would've annoyed me to see anybody steal anybody else's glory but killing those elves would've been funny. Also for some reason most races seem to have some god powers of being unable to die as clan pestilens would taken more land from the lizardmen or destroyed them by now, we would've destroyed the empire but mandred and some stupid vampire try to ruin our plans and no for some reason these elves just don't want to die. The saddest thing about skaven is you look at their recent history and their biggest feats include half assed trying to do things, fighting each other and failures that are hurtful but not super terrible. On the other hand look at how much damage the best orc warboss ever has done to the empire even if temporarily or chaos for instance. Skaven's biggest fight versus the empire was plagueing them to death and killing most of them and they couldn't do much in the way of fighting unfortunately, betraying nagash and giving some badass sword to their thrall that ends up killing both nagash and its wielder and after a lot of fighting managing to take karak eight peaks i think it was 'the city of pillars' which is currently under attack by both the orcs and goblins and now a group of dwarfs. Sure we have most of it under control but we better not lose 'the city of pillars'. Do you know how long it took to take that place? Possibly hundreds of years if i remember correctly. Losing that would really piss me off esp. considering the dwarfs originally considered it impregnable and the dwarf hold made the skaven ruling it very powerful and very rich.
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Post by Dave, Master of Muppets on Feb 27, 2012 5:21:15 GMT -5
Its quite simple how an Orc could lead the tribsmen of the north..... They are afterall, extremley supersticious..... And Orcs are very well known for being brutal and do have a hatred for the Empire, Much like Chaos.... It could be quite easy for an Orc to win the Favour of Khorne if he was to survive long enough. And the Tribsmen of the North who favour Khorne over the other 3 gods, would see him as a walking embodyment of Khorne. (The fluff has actually been posted on here)  Dave |
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Post by flamingkillamajig on Feb 27, 2012 10:00:30 GMT -5
Well it would probably work. I don't know if the warriors of chaos normally prefer khorne over everybody else but it seems interesting enough. There's nothing bad with using your imagination. You still have to give him chaos lord stats though even though he'd normally have an orc warboss stat-line. Of course depending on who you play against they may or may not let you use orc warboss stats.
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Post by Dave, Master of Muppets on Feb 27, 2012 10:05:11 GMT -5
Ahh.. But a Chaos Lord has vastly superior stats |
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Post by flamingkillamajig on Feb 27, 2012 10:11:28 GMT -5
I'm not surprised a chaos lord has superior stats except for maybe toughness but i'm not entirely sure about that. I love how fantasy has some many disgusting weapons. I know most of the skaven items suck but the fellblade makes up for all the lack-luster weapons they have. For 100 pts you get strength 10 attacks that do d6 wounds, of course it's a magic weapon so it's considered magical and all ward saves need to be re-rolled against it. Considering it's str 10 it goes through all armor regardless. This is the ultimate monster and even at times hero killer. Provided you go first it is anyway. You also suffer a wound if you roll a 1 or a 2 after every friendly turn but still it's totally worth it esp. if you have a rat ogre to give you 4 wounds instead of 3. The only bad thing about it is that it costs 100 pts and if you fail to kill your enemy you're most likely going to die but i have killed an arachnorok with that thing alone. I mean each hit is worse than being struck by a cannonball. I don't know how i could boost this. Maybe if i gave the warlord's unit death frenzy. I don't really know if it goes on characters though and if so if it causes wounds on the character (i'm guessing it wouldn't). Still a warlord with 6 fellblade attacks would be pretty sick.
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I understand that WoC are often very outnumbered by the foe, and you have to be weary of hordes of things like Gobbo's and Slaves, etc. But hopefully I'll have a full grasp on it some time soon 
