Daemons of Chaos as they currently stand

[flamingkillamajig]

So I've been playing against daemons and the regular complaint I hear is that there is mostly just 'the list'. 'The List' is pretty much a list of all the auto include units (most being the nurgle daemons and the skull cannons for khorne). That said I have fought nurgle daemons. They are very, very tough to face. I suppose the current fantasy army book is what the 40k army book used to be. Nurgle is mostly unstoppable while everything else isn't that great. Soul grinders and the daemon prince are pretty strong but I think the warriors of chaos daemon prince might be better.

The reign of chaos table is pretty annoying to face but it can hurt the daemon's player too. I hear most of the results are good for the daemons player and some don't hurt them too much. Since some results are better or worse it encourages some stuff to not be taken and some factions of chaos to not be taken.

I will say though that nurgle daemons are pretty sick. Beasts of nurgle have about 4 wounds a piece and a ward save and all nurgle units seem to have regeneration and make anything in combat with them -1 to hit in close combat. That can be very annoying. Add in epidemius and they are hitting hard. I had like 4 plaguebearers boosted by epidemius with no magic on them at all face down like 40 stormvermin and stick in combat against my stormvermin for several turns in some of which my stormvermin lost combat I think. I'm not sure if I had death frenzy on the stormvermin.

[Long John Silver]

Feb 25, 2014 19:03:15 GMT -5 flamingkillamajig said:

The reign of chaos table is pretty annoying to face but it can hurt the daemon's player too. I hear most of the results are good for the daemons player and some don't hurt them too much. Since some results are better or worse it encourages some stuff to not be taken and some factions of chaos to not be taken.

I was just reading the 40k daemon codex, lamenting how badly they got shafted by the warpstorm charts on the very last page, then I spot this similar mechanic in fantasy. In the 40k chart it can really hurt any mono-build army depending on the roll.
I mean, why bother taking daemons in general, if the rules hurt them so badly?

[flamingkillamajig]

Well it turns out the really potent list is called 'The List'. Which is basically a skull cannon or two and like lots of nurgle daemons. It's pretty nasty. I faced an all nurgle list with epidemius and plaguebearers. Nurgle is as bad for fantasy now as he used to be for 40k. Hell he might even be worse in fantasy since nurgle daemons are all at -1 to hit in close combat, decent strength and toughness, regeneration, wards and poisoned attacks I think. Lots of stupid nastiness. It's a very potent army if you use nurgle but if you don't it's probably not.

Some people on dakka feel the same way about the daemons list but as it turns out only one result on their table hurts them if they do a mono-list and some of the sub-factions get hurt way less than others. Not to mention some magic results on the magic table end in their opponent being hurt badly as well which is why it sniped out my weapons teams no problem and I couldn't stop it.

[Long John Silver]

Fantasy aside the 40k daemons will be able to summon more daemons soon, so they'll self replicate, becoming a bit like Vampire Counts in a way.

For the new 40k edition I feel The Blue Scribes are going to be sick. Every turn they can choose any spell from any discipline and cast it without any penalties that normally apply to psykers. So no perils of the warp, no 'sacrificing' your psyker for the Possession spell, which gives you a greater daemon of your choice every turn.

[flamingkillamajig]

It'd make more sense if they got more numerous depending on how many enemy units they killed.